WHO WANTED KAY SHUT UP?
“Kay was a strong Musa family supporter. right from the very beginning of the family’s troubles – her story is online.
On a date in January 2012 I was staying at B Mckenzies house in N London and I was speaking on my mobile phone to Kay, and we were discussing the merits of the asst. solicitor for Musas defence. This conversation took some 15 minutes or so and I found out at a date shortly after that after my call to Kay Sabine Mcneil had called Kay directly after I had finished speaking with Kay to berate her most strongly, shouting at her over the phone about her and myself criticising the asst. solicitor. What had happened was that Ms. Mckenzie had gone into another room from where she was overhearing my conversation with Kay and had called Mcneil whilst I was on my mobile to Kay, telling Mcneil about our criticising the asst. solicitor. I was surprised Mckenzie could do this as I was actually on the phone to Kay when she called Mcneil from another room – a room used as her office. Both myself and Kay had been critical of the defence team, and obviously Mcneil and Mckenzie would hear no wrong said about them – would hear no wrong about a defence team who performed miserably throughout the trial omitting much vital evidence, calling only 2 witnesses for the Musas defence to the prosecutions 44, and a whole lot more. I, and others, believe this lame performance was premeditated and deliberate. The Musas have now done 25 months in prison – that certainly was no defence team – and Mcneils angry attack on Kay, and myself indirectly via that phone call defending these legal types I believe says a lot – that no way should this defence team be criticised in any way, possibly leading to a change of defence representatives for the Musas. That way the defence team would be kept, to perform a dismal performance pretending to defend these tortured parents, and the M’s would go on to receive their lengthy sentence of 7 years each, plus the added torture of losing 7 children!
Kay was intimidated so much by the authorities for being a worthy supporter that she had to flee the country. leaving all her possessions and everything behind, in order to stay with her child who, she alleges, was to be taken from her because she was a Musa supporter and basically knew the score about things, so she left everything overnight and fled to Eire to try and get away from this unacceptable victimisation, but the long arm of collusion and intimidation followed her to Eire where her life was immediately made unbearable there too – she was denied any benefits, having to rely on friends and finding it almost impossible to get accomodation at first {the landlords siding with the authorities} the balatant vindictiveness grew from the locals who had been fed a pack of lies by certain people making her stay there an extremely unpleasant one, and after 7 months she finally gave in and returned from whence she came after realising her life and that of her child may have very much have been in danger there. A typical email received at the time from Kay:
From: k
Sent: 26 January 2012 11:14:51
To: me
Hello J,
Sorry, I just do not feel I can trust anyone anymore to evenexplain…. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY. I am very much alone here – -CERTAIN THE PERSON/S who originallyhelped me when I got here – HAVE BEEN PAID OFF….. they couldsuddenly afford to DECORATE THEIR HOME DESPITE 1 being a STUDENT andthe other ON DISABILITY ALLOWANCE… The person let slip the wallpaper they were putting around their fire place cost the equivalent of£10 A ROLL!!! I also noticed a GREEN ‘P’ FOR PASSED SIGN on their car (which hasnow suddenly changed back to a ‘RED’ ‘L’ SIGN — after she had seenme … ANOTHER PERSON who was involved in helping me when I got here— when I saw her in TESCO HERE – DID NOT ASK ME “Hello, how are youdoing?” – BUT ASKED ME “HELLO, WHEN ARE YOU GOING BACK TO ENGLAND!”. I am disappointed that even someone who had lost HER CHILDREN to UK SShas done this to me too.. Sadly, she is trusted amongst many otherswho help people. Tc – K
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From: kay
Sent: 26 January 2012 11:34:00
To: me
John – thank you for your message.. (below) – I AM PREPARING those who know / care for me to EXPECT MY DEATH / FALSE IMPRISONMENT / SECTION TO A MENTAL INSTITUTION AND / OR MY CHILD BEING TAKEN FROM ME…. WHICH WILL ALSO BE FABRICATED.
I HAVE HAD TO – ESPECIALLY NOW I KNOW 100% there are MORE PERSONS INVOLVED IN HATFIELD, HERTFORDSHIRE – where I lived and in the ‘Adult Mental Health’ Depts there.
I feel so very sick….. and sad … and alone …. and gutted ….. and scared for my child and all children…
I HOPE THEY ALL ROT IN HELL FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS.
Take care – let me know how you get on today. K
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From: butlincat
To: kay
Subject: RE: LOST
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:17:16 +0000
hey = dont get too despondant…things might not turn out as bad as you think…try and stay positive and you are not alone…and anyway i will always try and help you, and in reality i dont tink ill be going anywhere for quite a while, even tho i say stupid things to the opposite, so please just try and stay positive or it will be no good…bye for now
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I for one contacted numerous government departments and figures about this entire situation to be ignored wholesale every time I wrote by each and every one contacted.
During the unpleasantness of Kays return i was appalled to get an email from someone who claims outright to help people in exactly the position Kay Young was in. I received the email below which i found outrageous in the fact that the person wanted Kay “shut up” as she was deemed “a problem” by this character. I was shocked at the hypocracy – the email =
“From: b.mckenzie@
> To: adamski2012@hotmail.co.uk
> Subject: Musas
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:56:08 +0000>
> Hi John
> Are you OK? haven’t heard from you in a while. Have you given up on
> the Musas? I don’t blame you not being able to come up so often
> anymore, it’s a miracle you managed that awful journey as many times as
you did.>
> Yesterday Haringey weren’t ready to start the proceedings, had only
> just served the indictment!
> So the ‘Plea & Case Management’ hearing has been deferred till 29th
> February. Another month!
> Don & new barrister Mr O (couldn’t quite get his name) seem confident
> there are enough cards in the Musas’ hands to win this criminal case.
> But in the meantime adoption proceedings commence this month and the
> final care hearing is next month which is why Haringey are delaying
> things.
> Must tell you that Kay is a problem. Not only did she send abusive
> emails to the family doctor (which is why bail was refused, but of
> course any excuse) but she’s also been sending really rude ones to Don, he
showed them to me.
> “She is not helping the Musas doing this kind of thing” he said, I agreed.
> Is there any way of shutting her up? but I know she can be prickly.
> Can you try please, John?
> Really hope everything’s OK with you! Also that chap you’re in touch
> with every day.
> Love
> Belindax”
The emails mentioned that Kay is supposed to have sent is an outright gross exagerration, and blatant lies have been told about them – premeditated exagerrated lies used by the incompetant puppets the defence team who were only too happy to have something to hold against Kay Young.No emails from Kay have ever been produced in or out of court and the mentioning of them is being deliberately used as some kind of tool against her – a nonsensical tool to make her seem erratic, unpredictable and even not worthy of trust. If anybody should have been called as a witness in the Musa trial Kay should of been as she was there from the very beginning of the case, but with stuff like this being thrown at her making her seem irresponsible it is easy to see why she wasnt called. Actually only 2 witnesses out of a potentially huge figure were actually called but that is down to the failings of the cdefence team and a seperate subject. Anyway a certain person has admitted sending emails to members of the defence team UNDER AN ASUMED NAME – this i have in writing in an email from that person – also linked closely to Mcneil and this farcical “Mckenzie friend” set-up.
The asst. solicitor for the defence team used the excuses prior to the picking of the witnesses for the defence that Kay wouldnt be called as a witness because she might “lose it” whilst in the witness box, as he told me personally one day during the beginning of the Musa criminal trial, beginning May 2012. He seemed to think she might get angry and upset and thus do damage perhaps to the case, thus depriving the Musas of a valuable witness, and blackening her good name at the same time. Note this asst. solicitor has never ever met Kay, or even spoken to her, and is basing his outrageous assumptions on total rubbish got from people such as who wrote the rubbish email to me above telling me Kay is a “problem” and should be “shut up”. The entire subject of any emails that Kay is supposed to have sent is not worth bothering about, and I know for a fact many people have sent emails to the defence team complaining about their poor performance when defending the Musas – I myself have made my feelings known to these characters and i know of others who have admitted using false names when writing to them on the subject. Note only Kay is ever mentioned regarding sending emails to the defence team – and noone else.
Certain people did want Kay Young “shut up”, and as has been shown they would use the most underhand method of trying to achieve that aim, even asking me to do it!!
Also, in between the end of the Musa criminal trial and the date the initial appeal docs had to be given in by to the court – around the end of July and mid Autumn respectively – lunches were held between at least mcneil, and probably mckenzie, with the defence team barristers in London – probably at some up market café somewhere. This assembly could only have met to discuss what must have been the topic of the day – the Musas had been sentenced and with the appeal coming up there was only one thing to discuss – what was going to make up the appeal submission – something to this day Chiwar Musa has never seen! No other Musa supporters knew about these clandestine meetings taking place whatsoever, even though certain longtime supporters had a much greater knowledge of the case than this pair put together along with the barristers and others that attended these meetings. Why has Chiwar never been allowed to see his own defence appeal submission? Could the submission have been so lame and lacking in proper substance Chiwar would have objected greatly to its contents? That is a good question – Chiwar has asked for a very long time for his appeal docs, but never got them. I have asked the court on his behalf as a Mckenzie friend too for them – even going along to the appeal court itself and asking – but always the request is refused, and my recorded delivery letter to the defence barrister asking for the docs was returned unoped by the post office a month after sending. Anyway, secret meetings and the consequent results of appeals and the behaviour of certain legal representatives I feel speak for themselves. Dark breeds more dark – and every appeal the Musas have put forward have all failed.
I was told the information about these clandestine meetings by another supporter who had got fed up with certain things via emails, [which i still have], and decided to tell me about these these meetings, and more that i wasnt aware of.
My questions are – how come no long term supporters were present at these meetings? There isn’t exactly a shortage of them. Remember only 2 witnesses were called at all out of the many supporters the Musas had at the their “criminal” trial, where both Gloria and Chiwar received 7 years imprisonment each. I had met and stayed many times with the Musas since meeting them in April 2011 – Kay had known and supported them for over a year longer, and been through hell and back because of the actions taken against her by certain authorities [something the mcneil and mckenzies of this world always ignore], yet we have always been treated as idiots by this defence team, and by mcneil and mcKenzie also – a typical example being the holding of clandestine lunches. I still maintain they know little of the case – events and details I witnessed whilst with them at hearings or whatever and those things Kay had witnessed from before i came along that Chiwar and Gloria had taken hours telling me about during my stays with them. I had gone on contact visits with Chiwar and Gloria to see their children [I waited in a cafe nearby] a few times and seen for myself how they were mistreated at the contact centre miles away in Surrey 20 miles away as the crow flies – or a whole lot longer via train, tube and bus, and then a 30 minute walk on arrival at Croyden. Often the contact centre would be shut upon arriving on a preorganised visit, or Chiwar would be ejected from the contact meeting with some of his siblings after only 10 minutes. I saw how the council refused to pay the Musas travel expenses for over 40 contact visit journeys – something the Musas were fully entitled to, and I saw the invalid and void travel warrants or tickets they were given to use on these journeys, and how, when they complained to the council showing them the accumulated 40+ void travel tickets the council, and even a judge once, completely ignored their complaints and refused to honour their responsibilities to reimburse their travel costs by law they were entitles to. These contact visit journeys with the void travel warrants went on from April 2010 until November 2011, and half the time the children the Musas had hoped to see werent even brought to the contact visit, with lame excuses being made as to why the children didnt attend.
Anyway, I digress.
So, the appeal submission documents Chiwar Musa does not have and has not seen surely were originated at these clandestine lunches, and discussed between these 2 so-called “supporters” and this lame defence team.
The female barrister representing Gloria never visited her once – not once – throughout Gloria’s imprisonment beginning Nov. 28 2011. The other barrister representing Chiwar went hardly once or twice also. The assistant solicitor, making up the final member of this defence team, also hardly visited the Musas whilst imprisoned as he should have. What a team!! The female barrister representing Gloria didn’t bother either turning up at the final criminal appeal, held in Febuary 2014, which, of course, failed miserably. New details for the appeal submission – a revised and much fuller and more relavent medical statement written by a biochemist supporter – was submitted but ignored out of hand. This entire case has been riddled with serious irregularities from day one – not helped by these so-called “supporters” mentioned already.
There is a lot more that should be put here, but that will have to suffice for now.
This is a true sworn statement – J. Graham [ends]
[the “UK Column” reads my report immediately after the rough justice imposed upon the Musa parents Bishop Gloria, and Chiwar when they both received 7 years imprisonment for allegedly “mistreating their children” after their dubious 6+ week criminal trial – the verdict issued on the 14 August 2012: https://vid.me/NXPk.
Although promising to do this and that regarding this shocking case, this brief mention, which aired a couple of days after the actual sentencing of the Musa parents was the sum total of this “UK Column”‘s interest. And please, don’t be put off by Mr. Gerrish’s misleading statement at the beginning of this clip that the case was “confusing” – it was most definitely not , and the very much fabricated case against the Musa parents was as clear as it was criminal, and the irregularities performed by government employees – from the town council [previously involved in the outrageous “Baby P” [Peter Connelly] tragedy] to the police involved, and a great deal more government departments – were infinite as they were outrageous!
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Former MP John Hemming, ex-Yardley, Birmingham MP, is very much involved with this “McKenzie Friends Group” set-up, alongside other members – the group’s founder B. McKenzie and her friend Sabine Mcneil and is, allegedly, a “gatekeeper” [a gatherer of info – that info then used for nefarious purposes]. Why did he do nothing about the decade-long Birmingham child scandal when it was in full flow? He was an MP in Birmingham for 5 years during the shocking scandal which is reported as going on for at least 10 years!
See: “Child sexual exploitation bombshell as official report reveals almost 500 victims and potential victims in Birmingham and West Midlands”: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/child-sexual-exploitation-bombshell-official-8862316
“McKenzie Friends Group Exposed“
see more:
https://butlincat.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/mckenzie-friends-group-exposed.html
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Re: B. Mckenzie’s “Knight Foundation“:
“Highgate company investigated for posing as child abuse charity and sending donations to UK fugitive” [NB – this article has now been removed from the Internet – i wonder why???].
[don’t forget about the [alleged] “fire”, that destroyed the paper trails…ed.]
PUBLISHED: 07:00 24 July 2015 | UPDATED: 09:14 19 October 2015
Belinda McKenzie outside the Royal Courts of Justice
Archant
The Charity Commission is investigating claims that a Highgate-based organisation has been masquerading as a charity – including revelations that it sent almost all its donations to a fugitive wanted for questioning by police.
Sabine McNeill fled the UK through fear of arrestAn investigation by the Ham&High has discovered that a company claiming to raise money to help “protect children from sexual abuse” had been misleading potential donors as part of a drive to raise £1million.
The Knight Foundation, set up in February 2014, said the money would go towards helping fight “cruelty against children” and “Satanic ritual abuse”.
But the Ham&High has discovered that the organisation is not registered with the government watchdog the Charity Commission and that almost all the donations received are being sent to Sabine McNeill – a fugitive wanted for questioning by UK police.
Her colleague Belinda McKenzie, one of the directors of The Knight Foundation, has been leading the donation drive from her home in Priory Gardens, Highgate.
The 69-year-old told the Ham&High: “We are aiming to become a charity and are at the early stages of the organisation.
“I see our work as charitable as it’s helping others, including my friend Sabine who had to leave the UK or face arrest. She needs financial support for her work, speaking to MEPs about child abuse in the UK. But I will consider amending the wording on our website.”
Ms McNeill, 70, fled from her home in Swiss Cottage earlier this year following her involvement in a case which saw now discredited allegations spread over the internet that a Satanic paedophile ring was operating out of a school and church in Hampstead.
In March, a judge found the claims to be “baseless” and said they had led to many innocent Hampstead families suffering death threats and abuse.
Ms McNeill, who is acting secretary of The Knight Foundation, is thought to have absconded to Germany amidst fears of being arrested.
The Knight Foundation recently ramped up fundraising efforts, with Ms McKenzie posting messages on the organisation’s website every day for the past three weeks urging those wanting to fight “the very worst kind of child abuse” to donate to the “charity”.
After this newspaper’s findings were passed to the Charity Commission, the regulatory authority confirmed the organisation was not registered and said it had been “misleading” potential donors.
Describing its work as “not wholly charitable”, the Commission added it would also be looking further into the company “to assess if there are any other regulatory concerns”.
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UPDATE: If this article is untrue, how come the publishers of it haven’t been sued for LIBEL?
libel
ˈlʌɪb(ə)l/
noun
noun: libel; plural noun: libels
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1.
Law
a published false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation; a written defamation.
— And the ensuing [and alleged] “fire” – the destruction of relavent documents [audit trail] pertaining to this despicable subject – what went on there?
N.B. As a messenger of news like the entire post above I am derided and slandered by certain idiots [especially one in Canada [and her cronies] – a neer-do-well who has already tried to set up someone very much targeted by authorities, of which there is ample evidence – unspeakable!!!] – some stupidly well known in this “activist scene”. I couldn’t care less who does what to myself – it will only spur me on to try 10 times harder to bring perfectly relevent subjects, such as this scam involving this “Knight Foundation” charity set-up, to the spotlight,
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